Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

2 lipca 2008 22:34

"It is IDSF policy that IDSF Member Federations, their athletes, official and adjudicators cannot participate in these unregistered competitions."  

This is a statement which means nothing. Institutions, business can have a folder full of policies and procedures. So what ?  Is IDSF threatening anyone ?  IDSF do not say YOU cannot dance,  all the statement says is that IDSF has a policy ....let them enjoy it.  

"This event is also not running under IOC Rules and Regulations, that includes the Anti-Doping Code and controls of the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency)."

All IDSF is doing is making an advertisement for WDC for the event. 

Which dancer cares if a competition  is run under IOC Rs & Rs  ?

 What does IOC have to do with dancing ?    Or,  do they think dancers would not want to dance in a competition without first agreeing to  fill a cup with their pee-pee on request ? How about reading the iris of the eye as a prove the dancer is who he claim he-she is ?  

I like the opportunities IDSF affords for  the dancers,  unfortunately some IDSF members appear  so hung up on pointing out they are different from WDC  they consider it necessary to keep pushing the token recognition by IOC, even where it makes no sense.

Do they want to imply by the above statement  that  the planned WDC World Amateur Championship   will be a meeting, a get together  of dancers under the influence of  performance enhancing and other restricted drugs ?  A meet of cheaters ? 

WDC event -  not authorized  by IDSF

Why even write it down ?    If the statement is not outright stupid,  does it not sound stupid ?  This is a WDC event  to which  IDSF were not probably invited to,  or asked for authorization. 

This sound so childish.

I agree that IDSF should introduce  a greater censorship within their own circles.  

These statements are damaging to the authority which IDSF has reached. 

 Is it possible the statements were written in Spanish,  and badly translated into  English ?   That would be the only excusable explanation, but still unacceptable because  all releases should be approved.

What disappointment for us, the IDSF supporters, and followers.

  Is this  statement supposed to be  a blow to WDC  ?  Or,  is it supposed to suggest that WDC asked IDSF for authorization ?     If you are not invited to your  party,  do not force yourselves  in.   Butt out of their business.  Have yourself your own party -  may it be "unauthorized" by those with no business or having any 'say' about it.

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

3 lipca 2008 08:26

@Keggs

I am sincerely sorry but I will not play the silly games you would like to play and you may continue to attempt provocation but will not get retaliation from me since it really is not worth it.

May I please just suggest one thing go back and read your numerous posts over the last few days leave aside the inaccuracy the inconsistency but just simply consider what impression you would form as to the nature and character of a person making such posts - were it not you..  

Personally I remain convinced that the "warning" now removed from the Home Page of the IDSF to be concealed somewhere inside is wrong - totally and absolutely.  No matter what interpretation people wish to place on the wordiíng there is only one word that describes the intention  - "INTIMIDATION". 

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

3 lipca 2008 10:05

Dear onyourtoes

Healthy debate often gets heated. That's the nature of debate. It's also called freedom of expression. No one (including me) has insulted you on a personal level. Attacking your views is what debate is about. In the end though what is required is for the parties to begin to find common ground in which agreement can be made. It's called negotiation. If disagreeing strongly with your views (and perhaps making aan occasional carp, which by the way you have doine on numerous occasions yourself) is some how equated to personal attacks then my advice to you is not to get involved.

You often accuse the IDSF of turning its back on negotiation. I would suggest you do exactly the same as that which you accuse others of doing.

Pots, kettles and black come to mind.

My posts have stuck to what has been needed to be said. I may at times go off on a tangent but that also often occurs in debates. The problem is you simply don't like what is said. That's a problem you will to deal with. And I am not going to made the scapegoat for that!

From my point of view I perceive someone who usually gets what he or she wants - no questions asked but have now met someone that isn't a push over. You have tried to intimidate and bully me into agreeing with you. But when I don't, the only thing you can then resort to is accusing me of inconsistency with out actually stating what statements are inconsistent (despite being challenged to do so).

May I turn it back onto you and ask?. What is more inconconsistent than challenging me to answer questions, then tell me not to both (knowing you wouldn't agree anyway) then when I do answer your questions much to your probable shock, you refuse to make comment - positive or negative. Instead you try once again to make look a fool with your one line answer. Then when challenged suddenly feign personal attack.

If being frightened of someone personally attacking you is of great concern, then can I advise you not to get involved in heated debate. A lot more has been said to many others on this forum before than anything which you might perceive.

Either debate properly or don't  debate at all. Which is it to be?

Best wishes

Steve
 

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

3 lipca 2008 14:53

Dear onyourtoes

We can go on like this or we can debate properly. Taking the humph because you can't stand the heat is ridiculous. As for the oher forum, I have not mentioned anybody in particular so why take personal offence. You must be very insecure in your position to do that.

My arguments based on logic, facts can be twisted to suit one's own personal view.

And by the way you still haven't commented on the answered questions. You can disagree by all means but if you do please do so lucidly and with ideas to improve.

I do have an an open mind but I also have a clear idea of what IO believe needs to be done. This contrasts sharply with your back biting and lack of alternatives.

As for'my vision never happening' You are probably right. But what is the point of debating at all if it isn't to discuss what is happening right now and put forwards ideas. Someone in a position to further change may, just maybe view this forum and pick up an idea or 2 which they can can suggest. If that happens and I see no reason why it couldn't  the that will make me happy.

I am very sincere. I also considerr myself a nice person. Many on another forum also do. They've told me. In fact they have even sent me personal emails asking me to meet so that we can discuss further my ideas. You might think I am the only one with the views I hold, but I can tell you a lot more people in Britain are fed up to the back teeth with what's happening at home and abroad. The problem is that most are too frightened to make any sort of move however benign.

That tells me a lot.

Change will come and sooner than you think. And I doubt if it will be what either of us wants but it won't do any of us any good either.

Best wishes

Steve

PS Reply if you wish - that's fine by me. As the old saying goes. If you wish to debate be prepared to get your fingers burnt in the process. And hot topics get very hot at times.

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

3 lipca 2008 16:13

Jazz

You are quite right. I deserve your rebuke.

However, I am sorry but there is sometimes a need to repeat one self, particular after spending some time answering questions put to me only to find that the answers were not what was hoped for and consequently dismissed as irrelevant.

That's not good enough as far as I'm concerned. It's disrespecful at the very least.

To onyourtoes

You accused me of not having an open mind. Could I offer a small piece of advice which I hope (this time) you will accept with good  grace.

I would be careful of using terms like open mind when you yourself have an entrenched position. I don't have an entrenched position. How is that possible when I have consistently never supported 100% one side or the other. Yes, I do favour 'the direction' of the IDSF but that isn't the same as swallowing everything that it does and says.

However, you have stated quite clearly that you favour the WDC above anyone else. As you dismiss my 'vision' that can logically only mean that you want the WDC to be the world governing body and it is a world governing body that this debate is about.

If that is not an entrenched position or you don't favour the WDC 100%, then please clarify your position.

Best wishes

Steve